The assocoated press: Turkey: Armenia must pull out of Nagorno-Karabakh

[Arnika]

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Oct 11, 8:59 AM EDT

Turkey: Armenia must pull out of Nagorno-Karabakh

By SUZAN FRASER

Associated Press Writer

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A day after Turkey signed a deal to end a century of enmity with Armenia, the Turkish prime minister called on Armenia to withdraw from the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, saying Sunday the deal cannot come into force until that happens.

The statement appeared to be an effort by Turkey to appease its close ally Azerbaijan, which said the new agreement will aggravate the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

On Sunday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hailed the agreement to establish diplomatic ties with Armenia, which has been a bitter foe, as an "important step" that would lead to cooperation and dialogue.

Erdogan said however, the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute must be resolved. Nagorno-Karabakh is an Armenian-occupied enclave in Azerbaijan.

"We want all conflicts to be resolved and we want all borders to be opened," Erdogan said. "(But) as long as Armenia does not withdraw from occupied territories in Azerbaijan, Turkey cannot take up a positive position."

Erdogan also said a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh issue would ensure that the agreement is approved by Turkey's parliament. To take effect, the agreements must be ratified by the Turkish and Armenian parliaments, but it faces stiff opposition in both countries.

The agreement signed Saturday at a ceremony in Zurich, Switzerland, would establish diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia and open the joint border, which was sealed after the 1993 Armenian invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is inhabited primarily by ethnic Armenians.

The ceremony went ahead after a last-minute hitch over Turkish and Armenian objections to language in statements to be read after the signing, was overcome - by having neither side make a statement.

The contentious issue of whether the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians during the final days of the Ottoman Empire amounts to genocide is only hinted at in the agreement, as is the dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh.

The Azeri Foreign Ministry said Sunday that the agreement "clouds the spirit of brotherly relations" between Azerbaijan and Turkey. It said Turkey should not have re-established diplomatic ties with Armenia before the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh was settled.

The enclave in Azerbaijani territory is occupied by Armenian troops. Turks have close cultural and linguistic ties with Azerbaijan, which is pressing Turkey for help in recovering its land. Turkey wants Armenia to withdraw some troops from the enclave area to show good will and speed the opening of the border.

With the agreements signed, attention has turned to an Oct. 14 soccer World Cup qualifier between Turkey and Armenia.

Turkish President Abdullah Gul attended an initial game in Armenia last year, but Armenian President Serge Sarkisian has said he will not attend the return game in Turkey unless there is progress toward opening the border.

"I strongly believe that he will come," Erdogan said. "I hope this game will turn into a match of total friendship."

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved

[Arnika]

и там же

Клинтонша празднует дипломатическую победу

Oct 10, 10:29 PM EDT

Clinton basks in diplomatic victory

By MATTHEW LEE

Associated Press Writer

LONDON (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton basked in the glow of praise from her Nobel laureate boss on Saturday after spearheading successful efforts to salvage historic accords between longtime bitter foes Turkey and Armenia.

President Barack Obama, who a day earlier was the surprise winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, telephoned Clinton in Switzerland to congratulate her on overcoming a last minute-hitch that threatened to scuttle the Turkish-Armenian deals, a senior State Department official said.

Clinton was headed to the airport in the Swiss city of Zurich following an intense and frantic day of negotiations when she got the call from Obama, the official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was private.

"He was very excited, he felt like this was a big step forward and wanted to check in," the official told reporters aboard Clinton's plane as she flew from Zurich to London, the second leg of a five-day tour of Europe and Russia. "He called to congratulate her and the team."

"We had a good night in Zurich," Clinton said on the plane.

For several tense hours in overcast Zurich, however, that was anything but a sure thing.

Having come merely to witness Saturday's signing, Clinton instead became embroiled in a dramatic turn of events that began when both sides balked at signing agreements on establishing diplomatic relations and opening their sealed border after a century of enmity.

Both had objections to language in statements the side wanted to read after signing the deals, concerns that burst into the open just minutes before the ceremony was to begin at the University of Zurich in the shadow of Switzerland's snowcapped Alps.

Clinton's motorcade had just arrived at the venue when it abruptly turned around and returned to the luxury hotel where she had met separately earlier with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian.

There she spoke by phone from the sedan in the parking lot, three times with the Armenians and four times with the Turks. At one point, a Swiss police car, lights and siren blazing, brought a new draft of the Turkish statement from the university to the hotel for review.

After nearly two hours, Clinton and Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian met in person at the hotel and drove back to the university where negotiations continued in the presence of Swiss and European mediators and the foreign ministers of Russia and France.

About an hour later, Clinton and the others brokered a compromise under which no statements would be read at the ceremony.

She said she had repeatedly impressed on the Turks and the Armenians that the agreements, known as protocols, that had been negotiated over months were too important not to be signed now. The protocols, she said, should speak for themselves without additional statements.

"We just kept making our points," she said, referring to herself and the top U.S. diplomat for Europe, Philip Gordon. "This needed to be done."

"It's just what you sign up for," Clinton said of her role."When you are trying to help people resolve long-standing problems between themselves, it is a very challenging process."

To take effect the agreements must be ratified by the Turkish and Armenian parliaments and face stiff opposition in both countries, which have a particularly bloody history.

The contentious issue of whether the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians during the final days of the Ottoman Empire amounts to genocide is only hinted at in the agreement as is the matter of the disputed Armenian-occupied enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan.

Turks have close cultural and linguistic ties with Azerbaijan, which is pressing Turkey for help in recovering its land. Turkey shut its border with Armenia to protest Armenia's 1993 invasion of the territory.

© 2009 The Associated Press.

[СолнЫчка]

аса иди в *опу, Эрдогаша ....

тоже мне радетель исторической справедливости ....

Сперва осбоводи Кипр, верни должки, потому трынди, урод!

[Desperado Хайский]

Armenia: Turkey must pull out of Cyprus

Модераторы, хоть по-английски ругацца можна?

[RafaelP]

Ну а что вы хотели? Только не надо говорить: а раз так, а раз так, да мы вас, да мы вас, да мы теперь опять требуем признания Геноцида. Поздно пить Боржоми. Все. Весь Мир увидед что сомневались и даже решили обсудить с турками в совместной комиссии. И границы согласились признать. А прогресс в ремонте КПП будет происходить в соответствии с готовностью Армении к уступкам в Карабахе.

Несколько офф топик, но я кстати думаю что для Хилари эти протоколы важны были скорее для PR целей. Действительно, смотрите она только недавно госсекретарь и уже brokered a historic agreement that ended a century long enmity between a long term U.S. ally in the region (i.e. Turkey) and a potential U.S. ally (i.e. Armenia). Значит сильна. Кстати, журналисты могут взять вышеприведенную фразу на вооружение. Дарю. Президент и министр иностранных дел РА тоже покрасовались перед камерами в окружении сильных мира сего. Тоже PR однако. Вот мы какие, с нами сама Клинтонша и сам Лавров рядом стояли, не говоря уже о всяких там министрах иностранных дел всяких Швейцарий. Сильны, значит. И журналистам опять же работа, загран коммандировки, темы для статей. В общем всем хорошо.

Вот так и Горбачев СССР продал. Казалось бы зачем? Ну чего не хватало то. А не хватало то самое простое мозгов при переизбытке тщеславия.

[Cepnyc]

Нет, нельзя.

[Helen]

Я тоже думала, что если не подпишут Клинтон будет вынужденна подать в отставку. И для нее это был действительно PR.

А Налбандян не только стоял рядом со всеми остальными великими мира сего- Клинтон Лавровым и тд- он даже обнимался и целовался с теми кто помог ему не дрогнуть, не подать в отставку и стать предателем.

[Cepnyc]

Клинтон из-за этого в отставку не подала бы.

[Cepnyc]

Если помните при Буше младшем первым Гос. секретарем был Пауел. Так вот он был против войны в Ираке, но подал в отставку только по истечению 4-х лет, т.е. отслужил полагаемые ему 4 года.

Потом если Клинтон подаст в отставку, она, считай, поставит крест на своей политической карьере (а именно возможности баллотироваться на президентских выборах).

[Arnika]

я конечно понимаю, что серж с налбандяном предатели и изменники народа, но читать эти глупости, что это все делалось, дабы постоять рядом с сильными мира всего и целовать им щечку, действительно смешно. какая-то мега-аналитика, которая даже критике не поддается.

[Desperado Хайский]

я конечно понимаю, что серж с налбандяном предатели и изменники народа, но читать эти глупости, что это все делалось, дабы постоять рядом с сильными мира всего и целовать им щечку, действительно смешно. какая-то мега-аналитика, которая даже критике не поддается.

[RafaelP]

я конечно понимаю, что серж с налбандяном предатели и изменники народа, но читать эти глупости, что это все делалось, дабы постоять рядом с сильными мира всего и целовать им щечку, действительно смешно. какая-то мега-аналитика, которая даже критике не поддается.

[Ardzan]

Под "Горбачевым" и "Шеварнадзе" вы подразумеваете Гюля и Эрдогана, RafaelP?

[Sashiko]

а вот и туркам аналогичный совет от братьев-греков

Greek PM urges Turk troop withdrawal from Cyprus

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 MENELAOS HADJICOSTIS NICOSIA – The Associated Press <br class="clearfloat">Greek Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias ® shakes hands with Greek prime minister George Papandreou after their meeting at the presidential palace in the divided capital of Nicosia on Oct. 19. Greece's new prime minister is in Cyprus on his first official visit abroad to hold talks with the Greek Cypriot government on efforts to reunify the island. (AP Photo/Petros Karadjias) Greece’s new prime minister urged Turkey on Monday to withdraw thousands of its troops from Cyprus to help ongoing talks aimed at reunifying the divided island.

The long-festering dispute on the eastern Mediterranean island has poisoned relations between Greece and Turkey, both NATO members, undermining the military alliance and European Union cooperation on security and hindering Turkey’s bid for EU membership.

“It is a matter that either we solve to unite us, or it will keep us divided,” George Papandreou said after talks with Greek Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias.

Cyprus was split into a Turkish Cypriot north and a Greek Cypriot south in 1974. The island joined the European Union in 2004, but only Greek Cypriots enjoy the benefits of membership.

“Certainly, occupation troops cannot be allowed to exist in an EU member state, especially by an EU candidate country,” said Papandreou, who is paying his first official visit abroad as prime minister after winning general elections earlier this month.

Year-long talks between Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat have so far produced little real progress.

Christofias is blaming Turkey for restricting Talat’s ability to negotiate an agreement on complex issues such as power-sharing under a federal structure and arrangements on property lost during the war. Turkey says it fully backs the peace process.

The Greek Cypriot leader renewed his support for Turkey’s bid to join the EU, but added: “We are not masochists ... We cannot accept Turkey proceeding to full union membership without first achieving a Cyprus settlement.”

Cyprus is already blocking the key energy chapter in EU-Turkey accession talks – one of 35 that Turkey must negotiate with the bloc.

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