Что за деревня?

[kaivaz]

Население приближается к двум тысячам Çengilli, в районе Kagizman крупнейших деревне. Вокруг холма доминирующих ростом церкви, стал символом этой деревни с торжественностью. В тех случаях, когда грузинские надписи в 10-м церковь Çengilli века до настоящего времени.

Nüfusu iki bine yaklaşan Çengilli, Kağızman'ın en büyük köyü. Etrafa hâkim bir tepede yükselen kilise, heybetiyle köyün simgesi haline gelmiş. İçinde Gürcüce kitabelerin yer aldığı Çengilli Kilisesi 10. yüzyıla tarihleniyor.

[shmidt]

..глянь сюда :http://byzantion.ru/theatron/topic.php?forum=12&topic=101&start=6

[kaivaz]

Спасибо. И господину Հայ-Հռոմաեցի отдельное спасибо.

А теперь попробую найти этот Ченгилли на карте.

[Kornelij Glas]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q...dpM-OAg&split=0

[kaivaz]

О! Коренлий опередил! Спасибо.

Çengilli and Keçivan Kalesi

Just south of the confluence of the Aras and Arpa rivers, right on the Armenian border, Highway 70 joins Highway 80 – the latter leading south to Tuzluca and Iğdır , or west to Kağızman. Just below Kağızman – which is 4km uphill off the main highway – a bridge over the Aras carries Highway 965 north back towards Kars. Some 800m past this bridge, the first dirt road to the left (west) follows a rutted, jeep-only 25-kilometre route up into the mountains, through three timeless villages, to finally arrive at ÇENGILLI, home to an anomalous thirteenth-century Georgian monastery. Not only was the contemporary population of the area largely Armenian, but the architecture apes the tenth- and eleventh-century styles of Georgian specimens further north – specifically Tbeti. Unlike Tbeti, the enormous church here has survived fairly intact to this day. Public transport from Kağızman is limited to a single daily minibus, departing from the main square at about 3.45pm – enforcing an overnight stay in primitive Çengilli.

From the Kağızman bridge, Highway 80 scenically follows the Aras west and upstream as far as Karakurt on the Erzurum– Kars road. It's a colourful journey in an often otherwise drab area, where the green and blonde of hay fields and apricot orchards contrast with the tones of the volcanic rock comprising the valley flank. In the relatively tidy riverside villages, satellite dishes jab the skyline along with poplars and pyramids of hay or dung.

Returning north from the Kağızman bridge towards Kars via Kötek, after about 20km a choice of side roads lead west towards Keçivan Kalesı (Geçvan in Armenian). Access is either via Ortaköy, 3.5km off the asphalt, with a subsequent hour and a half's walk, or by a rough twelve-kilometre drive, the first 5km to Oluklu and then 7km southwest from there. The castle's western ramparts and gates are in fair condition, though little else remains of the third-century Armenian fortified town sacked by the Persians after a year's siege. Back on the main road, the route back to Kars crosses the Paslı pass (2020m) and the ensuing plateau, before dropping back into the valley of the Kars Çayı.

[Иоанн]

Этот храм принадлежал армянам-халкидонитам Мцхетского Патриархата, как раз в период все большего усиления Грузинского царства. Надписи на грузинском не должны удивлять, т.к. оффициальный язык армян-халкидонитов бытующий в их церковной организации (в данном случае в Грузинской Церкви) являлся - хуцури, т.е. церковно-грузинский.

[СМБАТ]

А это не на месте Ширакавана? Рядом с Нахиджеваном?

[СМБАТ]

А это не на месте Ширакавана?

[Grig]

как-то вот так понятнее где это

[shmidt]

..Кайваз джан, глянь сюда тоже, Киликия :http://www.xpabyzkg.uni-goettingen.de/Kilikienjpg/T%FCrkeibilder2.html

[kaivaz]

Спасибо, Григ / Шмидт.

Сбат имел ввиду Нахичеван Ширакский - ыбло такое крупное село / город - на другой стороне реки Ахурян южнее исторического Ани.

Но как видишь это гораздо дальше на запад. За Кагзваном.