TMQ

Не всё так просто в вопросе Лачинского коридора. И выглядеть совершенно чистыми будет трудно выглядеть.

Согласна с Bojoj.

Gorn, я отлично понимаю, твои чувства. Поверь, что и мне это приносит боль, но ... так сложилась судьба. Тогда этих международных прав по большому счету не было. Сеичас они есть и их надо продерживаться. А потерянные территории, на которых уже нет армян, к сожалению потеряны... и я не сторонница призывов к воине из-за территории. Максимум, что можно сделать и нужно делать - это обосновать с юридическои точки зрения неправомерность договоров или их положении, но опять таки исходя из и опираясь на те же международные права.

Я где-то согласна с Urden & Stracker . Ребята по-моему мы начинаем перебарщивать с освобождениями земель.

Turkey to Get Date for Open-Ended EU Entry Talks Wed Dec 15, 2004 08:40 AM ET By Aine Gallagher STRASBOURG, France (Reuters) - Turkey was on course on Wednesday to get a date to start open-ended negotiations on European Union membership as final elements of a compromise package came together on the eve of a landmark EU summit. Despite last-minute rhetoric from Ankara and EU politicians most skeptical about its fitness to join the 25-nation bloc, diplomats said leaders would agree on Friday to open talks in October or November 2005 with the clear aim of membership. "It is now time for the European Council to honor its commitment to Turkey and announce the opening of accession negotiations. A clear date should be indicated," EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso told the European Parliament. "We accept that the accession process is open-ended and its outcome cannot be guaranteed beforehand," Barroso said. His comments foreshadowed the expected wording of a summit statement, framed to assuage opponents of membership for the poor and mostly Muslim state of 70 million. The directly elected assembly adopted by 407 votes to 262 a non-binding resolution urging EU leaders to open talks with Turkey "without undue delay" and rejected decisively amendments offering a "special partnership" or refusing full membership. Lawmakers urged Ankara to continue human rights reforms, negotiate with Kurdish separatists who renounced violence and recognize mass killings of Armenians between 1915 and 1923 as "genocide," something Turkey adamantly rejects. © Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...storyID=7101632

Turkey to Get Date for Open-Ended EU Entry Talks Wed Dec 15, 2004 08:40 AM ET By Aine Gallagher STRASBOURG, France (Reuters) - Turkey was on course on Wednesday to get a date to start open-ended negotiations on European Union membership as final elements of a compromise package came together on the eve of a landmark EU summit. Despite last-minute rhetoric from Ankara and EU politicians most skeptical about its fitness to join the 25-nation bloc, diplomats said leaders would agree on Friday to open talks in October or November 2005 with the clear aim of membership. "It is now time for the European Council to honor its commitment to Turkey and announce the opening of accession negotiations. A clear date should be indicated," EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso told the European Parliament. "We accept that the accession process is open-ended and its outcome cannot be guaranteed beforehand," Barroso said. His comments foreshadowed the expected wording of a summit statement, framed to assuage opponents of membership for the poor and mostly Muslim state of 70 million. The directly elected assembly adopted by 407 votes to 262 a non-binding resolution urging EU leaders to open talks with Turkey "without undue delay" and rejected decisively amendments offering a "special partnership" or refusing full membership. Lawmakers urged Ankara to continue human rights reforms, negotiate with Kurdish separatists who renounced violence and recognize mass killings of Armenians between 1915 and 1923 as "genocide," something Turkey adamantly rejects. "FIRM ANCHORING" After a 41-year wait to start talks, Turkey could not join the bloc until 2015 at the earliest. The negotiations will require a transformation of its economy and society far beyond the political and human rights reforms already enacted. Diplomats said the summit statement would add that whatever the outcome, the EU would keep the strongest possible bond with Turkey, implying there could be another outcome if it failed to meet EU standards or chose to go another way. Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel, one of the strongest skeptics on Turkish accession, signaled on Wednesday that such wording would enable him to agree to opening negotiations. "It has to be in there that the result will come from an open process, and that this result cannot be guaranteed in advance," Schuessel told reporters. Turkish financial markets, buoyed by Tuesday's deal with the International Monetary Fund, have soared in anticipation of a "yes." The main Istanbul share index was up 0.47 percent at 23,528.70 in mid-afternoon trade, near a historic high. The Turkish lira currency was also firmer, at around 1,412,500 against dollar, after closing at 1,419,000 on Tuesday. Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said on Tuesday that Turkey would not recognize EU member Cyprus "directly or indirectly" as long as there was no final agreement on reuniting the island. However, a senior Dutch presidency source said Turkey would have to commit itself on Friday to extend its association agreement with the EU to cover the 10 new member states, seen as de facto recognition of Cyprus, although it would not be asked to sign that protocol during the summit. Barroso said Turkey would have to recognize Cyprus. "If you want to become a member of a club, isn't it normal that you recognize the other members of that club?" Turkey recognizes only the breakaway Turkish Cypriot enclave in northern Cyprus. But for the EU and the rest of the world, the Greek Cypriot government in the south is the sole legitimate representative of the whole island. FRENCH, AUSTRIAN SCEPTICISM Brussels diplomats said Ankara was clearly on board for the deal being crafted by Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, whose government holds the EU presidency. Balkenende told the Dutch parliament he expected a "yes" on Friday but the negotiations would be a long haul. Turkey's supporters, led by Britain and Germany, see a chance to bridge the divide between Europe and the Islamic world by incorporating a vibrant Muslim democracy on the hinge of southeast Europe and the Middle East. Opponents say the sprawling, largely agrarian state would be too hard to integrate and the EU would risk "enlarging itself to death" by extending its borders to Iran, Iraq and Syria. Erdogan and Gul were due in Brussels on Wednesday for last minute lobbying before the summit starts on Thursday evening. The official decision is expected early on Friday afternoon. French President Jacques Chirac, facing domestic opposition to Turkish entry, was to go on television on Wednesday night to defend his belief in Turkey's long-term European vocation. © Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...storyID=7101632

Assembly of Armenians of Europe On its report on “Turkey’s progress towards accession” the European Parliament calls on Turkey to recognize the Armenian Genocide Brussels, 15/12/2004 - According to the recent information received from the European Parliament (Strasbourg), the European Parliament voted the 84 amendments to the report on “Turkey’s progress towards accession” of the rapporteur Camiel Eurlings and adopted the final text of the report. Amendments regarding the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the Republic of Turkey, the recognition of the Greek Cyprus State, the minority rights (etc) were submitted to the vote by the European Parliament during the plenary session on 15/12/2004. The amendment 18 submitted by MEP Francis Wurtz and Dimitris Papadimoulis on behalf of the GUE/NGL group was approved by the European Parliament and will be included in the final text of the report: “Calls on Turkey to promote the process of reconciliation with the Armenian people by acknowledging the genocide perpetrated against the Armenians as expressed in Parliament’s earlier resolutions with regard to Turkey’s candidate status (from 18 June 1987 to 1 April 2004). In the same report the European Parliament calls upon Turkey to improve the situation of minority rights and protect their cultural heritage; to engage a constant dialogue with the European Parliament on women’s rights in Turkey and take note in this regard of the resolution on the role of women in Turkey in social, economic and political life, etc. (Thanks to Semetoja )

И.М. Дьяконов "Книга воспоминаний" http://srcc.msu.su/uni-persona/djakonov/1.htm Самые интересные места в последней главе. Приведу некоторые цитаты. " Но на одну эрмитажную зарплату было не прожить с семьей, даже с тем, что зарабатывала Нина, и я, по совету ученика моего брата Миши, Лени Брстаницкого, подрядился написать для Азербайджана «Историю Мидии». Все тогда искали предков познатнсс и подревнее, и азербайджанцы надеялись, что мидяне – их древние предки. Коллектив Института истории Азербайджана представлял собой хороший паноптикум. С социальным происхождением и партийностью у всех было все в порядке (или так считалось); кое-кто мог объясниться по-персидски, но в основном они были заняты взаимным поеданием. Характерная черта: однажды, когда в мою честь был устроен банкет на квартире директора института (кажется, переброшенного с партийной работы на железной дороге), я был поражен тем, что в этом обществе, состоявшем из одних членов партии коммунистов, не было ни одной женщины. Даже хозяйка дома вышла к нам только около четвертого часа утра и выпила за наше здоровье рюмочку, стоя в дверях комнаты. К науке большинство сотрудников института имело довольно косвенное отношение. Среди прочих гостей выделялись мой друг Леня Бретаницкий (который, впрочем, работал в другом институте), один некий благодушный и мудрый старец, который, по слухам, был красным шпионом, когда власть в Азербайджане была у мусаватистов, один герой Советского Союза, арабист, прославившийся впоследствии строго научным изданием одного исторического средневекового, не то арабо-, не то ираноя-зычного исторического источника, из которого, однако, были тщательно устранены все упоминания об армянах; кроме того, были один или два весьма второстепенных археолога; остальные вес были партработники, брошенные на науку. Изысканные восточные тосты продолжались до утра. Незадолго перед тем началась серия юбилеев великих поэтов народов СССР. Перед войной отгремел юбилей армянского эпоса Давида Сасунского (дата которого вообще-то неизвестна) – хвостик этого я захватил в 1939 г. во время экспедиции на раскопки Кармир-блура. А сейчас в Азербайджане готовился юбилей великого поэта Низами. С Низами была некоторая небольшая неловкость: во-первых, он был не азербайджанский, а персидский (иранский) поэт, хотя жил он в ныне азербайджанском городе Гяндже, которая, как и большинство здешних городов, имела в Средние века иранское население." http://srcc.msu.su/uni-persona/djakonov/posl_gl.htm

Я полностью ЗА эту идею.

Вобше-то было бы интересно прочитать мнения юристов про то, как выполняются условия Краского договора сторонами. У кого есть такая инфа?

МАРК ФЕЙГИН ЗАКАВКАЗСКИЙ УЗЕЛ http://magazines.russ.ru/novyi_mi/1998/9/feig-pr.html

НАЦИОНАЛЬНОЕ САМООПРЕДЕЛЕНИЕ: ПОДХОДЫ И ИЗУЧЕНИЕ СЛУЧАЕВ Галина СТАРОВОЙТОВА Непредставленным народам http://ihtik.lib.ru/philsoph/ihtik_3654.htm

КАРCКИЙ ДОГОВОР (13 октября 1921 (1337) года)