Semetoja

Понимаю В Баку - трудно

Есть и другой способ увелечения численности населения - кстати намного приятнее чем то что ты описал Но ты кажись сдрейфнул.. :lol:

Дав джан аппетит у тебя отменный На один момент представь демографический состав Армении если завтра каким то чудом Армения будет в указанных границах. Хотя выход к морю - это хорошо

Интересно отсутствие азербайджанских юзеров результат отсутствия интереса к Армении (с) , или все таки игнор взял вверх над контактами?

Иногда копаться в прошлом полезно Лично мое мнение - Армения сегодня в полной мере должне развивать то что имеет - т.е. Армения в своих границах и конечно НКР. Это в реале. А если речь о мечтах - я бы хотел вернуть Арарат

Farrukh И потом в известной статье азербайджанского журналиста четко указывается на то, что нет ненависти к азербайджанцам и туркам... А все эмоции в наличии есть постольку - поскольку...

Фаррух только один момент - недавно в Армении провели соц. опрос (не армянская и не русская исследовательская компания), так если не ошибаюсь, то 68% опрошенных к туркам относились совершенно нейтрально. Это так.. к слову

Sorry Фаррух...

Простите за оффтоп. Фарух Зашел на сайт - совсем не плохо

Артур джан правила есть правила

A watermelon revolution? Azerbaijan and democracy 647 words 4 June 2005 The Economist ECN 375 English © The Economist Newspaper Limited, London 2005. All rights reserved Might Azerbaijan be next in line for a democratic revolution? Not likely, says Azerbaijan's president AS HIS capital, Baku, swelters, Ilham Aliev should be sweating. He inherited the presidency from his father, Heidar, after a flawed election in 2003. Parliamentary elections are due in November. Azerbaijan is as corrupt as almost anywhere on the planet. The parallels with pre-revolutionary Georgia, Ukraine and Kirgizstan are painfully clear. So is Mr Aliev nervous? “No”, he says firmly. Why not? Because, he declares, his regime is more popular than those of other ex-Soviet countries, and because the opposition is discredited by violence in 2003, and by its association with the government before his father, a Soviet-era boss, returned in 1993. “I am a new generation,” Mr Aliev says, glossing over his dynastic succession. His country also has energy. A new pipeline will pump oil from the Caspian Sea to Turkey via Georgia. This may explain why the West has tolerated the Aliev clan's excesses. (Rumours of possible American military bases in Azerbaijan are denied by Mr Aliev.) “We do not have human-rights abuse in our country,” says the president, cracking his knuckles. But Elmar Mammadyarov, the foreign minister admits that the police were over-zealous when violently breaking up a street demonstration on May 21st. International watchdogs have documented a string of dreadful police and judicial abuses. The big difference in Ukraine, says Isa Gambar, who claims to have beaten Mr Aliev in the 2003 election, was that its leaders were persuaded not to use force. Ali Kerimli, another opposition leader, says that, for Azerbaijan's sake, the West must now be stern with Uzbekistan over its massacres last month. The oil also makes it easier to grease palms and secure loyalties. Baku's bureaucrats are said to receive two salaries: paltry official ones, and cash supplements. For ordinary folk, oil revenues seem to offer the chance of a share in the narrow prosperity evident in Baku's designer shops and Mercedes-crowded streets. Yet the lesson of Ukraine and Kirgizstan is that revolutions can strike even apparently stable regimes. If Mr Aliev stays on, there are two prognoses for Azerbaijan's future, resting on contrasting assessments of his personality. The optimistic version is that he means what he says about creating a middle class, tackling corruption and using oil revenues to diversify the economy, much of which collapsed with the Soviet Union. By the time Azerbaijan's share of Caspian oil runs out in about 20 years, the 40% of the population living in poverty will have been lifted out of it. And Mr Aliev may, in time, replace the old-school cronies he inherited from his father with modernisers. The gloomier version is that, for all his talk of media impartiality and against corruption, Mr Aliev has kept on the old elite because he agrees with them. The oil money will be wasted, and the country's gaping inequality will widen. Radical Islam may encroach from Dagestan to the north or Iran to the south. Or oil may finance the reconquest of Nagorno-Karabakh, a bit of Azerbaijan seized by Armenia in the 1990s. “Every patience has limits,” says Mr Aliev. Bellicose talk puts pressure on Armenia. One day, the threats may even be fulfilled. They certainly appeal to angry Azeris: Karabakh comes up in conversation almost as often as Heidar Aliev's image appears on plinths and in portraits. A small test of direction will be an opposition rally this weekend. A bigger one will come with the November election, for which Mr Gambar, Mr Kerimli and others are trying to unite. If he could overcome the usual post-Soviet neurosis about elections, there would probably be little cost for Mr Aliev in allowing the free vote that he says he wants. Can he? Document EC00000020050603e1640000t © 2005 Dow Jones Reuters Business Interactive LLC (trading as Factiva). All rights reserved. ----------------------------------------------------- Модеры простите что без перевода. Если у кого то есть время переводить - просьба сделать это, если нет то модеры пусть переносят статью в другой пресс клуб в новостях.

Equatorial Guinea leader pardons Armenian air crew caught up in coup attempt RA 466 words 5 June 2005 12:55 Agence France Presse English Copyright Agence France-Presse, 2005 All reproduction and presentation rights reserved. MALABO, June 5 (AFP) - Equatorial Guinea's President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Sunday pardoned six Armenian air crew members sentenced to long prison terms for their participation in an attempted coup last year, according to a decree read on national radio. The "total pardon" is for "the Armenian nationals being held at Malabo's central prison," the decree dated June 4 said. They were given prison sentences of between 14 and 24 years. The president granted the pardon as a "humanitarian gesture" on the occasion of his 63rd birthday, celebrated as a national holiday in Equatorial Guinea, a country with a population of a million that is the third largest oil producer in sub-Saharan Africa. The six Armenians, who have always insisted they were innocent, are to be released at once and handed over to "competent authorities" who will see that they are repatriated to Armenia, according to the decree. The Armenian air crew -- two pilots, two engineers, a navigator and technician -- were arrested in March 2004 and sentenced with others in November in Equatorial Guinea. They were convicted for taking part in a plot to overthrow Nguema, along with more than 60 suspected mercenaries arrested in Zimbabwe while allegedly picking up weapons there to use in a coup attempt. British businessman Mark Thatcher, the son of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, was accused of partly financing the plot. He pleaded guilty in South Africa to violating its anti-mercenary law and paid a three-million-rand (380,000 euro, 505,000 dollar) fine in January. The Armenians had been hired to fly a plane belonging to an Armenian company and chartered by a a German, Gerhard Eugen Merz. He was arrested with the crew and died after spending a few days in detention in Equatorial Guinea. Between arriving in Equatorial Guinea in January and the date of their arrest the Armenians only made one trip, a flight to the Democratic Republic of Congo, via Zambia, on behalf of Triple Option, a Malabo-based company headed by South African Nick du Toit, who is serving a 34-year sentence for leading the attempted coup. Four other South Africans were given 17-year terms while three were acquitted. An exiled opposition leader living in Spain, Severo Moto, said to be the brains behind the attempted coup was given a 63-year term. Authorities in Equatorial Guina said the group in Malabo was the advance party of another group arrested in Harare at the international airport at the same time. Their leader Simon Mann, a friend of Thatcher, was sentenced to three years in jail. Another 61 members of the group were freed last month and sent back to South Africa. ra/sj/bj Document AFPR000020050605e165005si © 2005 Dow Jones Reuters Business Interactive LLC (trading as Factiva). All rights reserved ------------------------------------------------------- Перевод Наши пилоты скоро будут дома :yes:

Так почему бы не устроить он-лайн интервью с ним?

К стати у кого есть информация, куда поехал руководитель талышской группы из Армении?

Интересная статья! :yes: 2005-06-01 20:52:02 ИА Regnum Смерть Минского процесса, латиноамериканская Грузия и "яичный" риск http://www.regnum.ru

2005-06-02 12:25:07 ИНТЕРФАКС-АЗЕРБАЙДЖАН В Баку обеспокоены переброской вооружения из российских военных баз Грузии в Армению Переброска Россией вооружений из Грузии в Армению нанесет вред азербайджано-российским отношениям и процессу урегулирования карабахского конфликта. Такое мнение высказал агентству "Интерфакс-Азербайджан" завотделом внешних связей администрации президента Азербайджана Новруз Мамедов. "Передача Россией партии вооружений Армении, которая продолжает оккупацию части земель Азербайджана, не только не служит укреплению азербайджано-российским отношениям, но и, напротив, идет им во вред", - сказал Н.Мамедов. "Это не может не рождать обеспокоенности", - подчеркнул представитель администрации президента. http://www.interfax.ru

Ребят а знаете мне понравился ответ Стракера - мало заходит сюда так как Армения стало меньше интересоват. Слава Богу что азербайджанцам мало по малу начинает мало интересовать Армения - значит есть надежда, что будем нормально жить

Скажем так по моему последная строчка статьи о чем то говорит We should note that the organizers of today's event were unable to hold a similar seminar in Baku - Отметим, что подобный семинар на сегоднешний день невозможен в Баку. А статья то не армянская

Эльчибей работал на Алиева? :blink: А во время передачи про Алиева (по РТР) говорили, что он отдал приказ арестовать Алиева, но по счастливой случайности Алиеву стало известно об этом и события стали развиваться по другой сценарии

Farroukh Ну во первых привет... Понимаешь вопрос в том, что если у талышей в АР нет проблем но к ним относятся подобным образом, то как в АР собираются поступать с армянами ?! Между нами была война и пролита много крови. Понятно о чем я ?!

А если серьезно, то Армениан прав, оттенки чуток разные, а смысл в принципи тот же...

Прошу модеров переименовать тему на Азербайджан vs. Армения, антипропаганда