Турецко-Израильский роман после Газы

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В связи с кризисом в Греции, Эрдоган пошел на "благородный шаг" и обьявил о сокращении военного бюджета Турции на тот же % что и у греков. Тем самым послав очередной (забыл какой уже по счету) FUCK YOU турецким генералам.

[Arin-Berd]

Кайваз, так ведь по поводу вписывания никто не спорит. Имеено что Турция успешно вписывается в исламский мир. Но мало вписаться, нужно его возглавить, что тоже в конечном итоге успешно проделывается.

вот смари, ты писал, что не религиозный фактор, а сионистский фактор играет объединяющую роль. В принципе, в Европе много лет назад объединяющим фактором играла борьба против большевисткой Россией. в ту пору никто особо истерично не реагировал на нарастающие мускулы Германию и на абиции возглавить Весьмир, даже помогали в поднятии репутации и демонстрации мощи (те же олимпийские игры и маршировка со вскинутыми руками перед фюрером народа и гостями рейха), и про репрессии против евреев тоже не особо бурно реагировали. потом как-то вроде само собой пошло -- обострение дипотношений с западными соседями, которые вроде и не совсем враждебны были друг к другу -- ездили, торговали, женились и разводились. но пошли взаимные наезды и хорошие отношения постепенно стали превращаться в довольно натянутые и порой откровенно враждебные. дело дошло до того, что коммунисты, которых Германия жестоко истребляла, стали чуть ли не самыми близкими союзниками фашиков. подписали кучу документов, пожимали руки друг другу и выпивали за советско-германскую дружбу. честно поделили зону влияния и под бурные крики «долой англо-саксонов» выделили недругов. ну а потом, 22 июня, 1941 года рано утром немецкие войска вероломно.... далее ты уже знаешь по учебникам.

к чему это я? Эрдоган уже заявил, что Хамас -- это халяль, а ПКК -- харам. режим молл уже для них почти союзнический, куча документов тоже подписана и еще будут подписываться. бум ждать нападение на Польшу курдский север Ирака, который уж очень не понравится Ирану. а далее по логике должен наступить турецкий 22 июня.

я ни сколько не настаиваю на такой сценарий и представить себе не можешь на сколько бы был рад, еслиб ошибался. я всего лишь попытался объяснить логику объединения против общего врага. регион накален до невозможности и с каждым разом этот накал не спадает, а еще больше накручивается. регион -- это одна большая пороховая бочка, которая бабахнет при малейшем неосторожном обращении с огнем. только огромной волей можно избежать большой войны.

не следует англо-саксонов и прочих европейцев за дураков считать. они очь прекрасно все видят и понимают. ничего хавать не будут и хавать не собираются. это они нас за дураков считают и уверены, что таким вот образом сделают большое состояние, которое излечит множество болячек. уже не впервое. не верю я в самодостаточность Турции и в самостоятельные акты без вмешательства и поддержки третьих сил. ну и как полагается, в конце все те же «дурачки-европейцы» нацепят друг другу медали, выпишут всевозможные премиальные и в мировой истории запишут «принесли мир и стабильность во всем мире. в очередной раз добро победило зло».

[Lavash]

Не знаю почему, но мои сообщения здесь удаляются. Ну и ладно.

Я вот о чем. На первый взгляд конфликт между Турцией и Израилем рождает у нас противоречивые чувства, но в основном... согласитесь, нам пофигу. кто кого... И к тем, и другим у нас большие претензии. То что Израиль в своих меркантильных интересах будет дразнить турков принятием-непринятием геноцида армян, это все ерунда... Опасность исходит от лидерства Турции на Бл. Востоке. Турция перестает быть изгоем в исламском мире. Роль Ирана падает до плинтуса. На Турцию скоро с благодарностью и восторгом будут смотреть и арабы, которые до последнего их и за мусульман не воспринимали. Итак, на любую турецкую инициативу-провокацию-активное действие по Карабаху и геноциду мы будем иметь еще протурецко настроенных арабов и персов.

Будь я министром ИД, сделал бы все, чтобы хоть как то нейтрализовать гегемонию Турции в регионе.

1) Во первых, я бы высказал (очень громко) свою озабоченность по поводу любой блокады в мире, в частности блокады Газы. Можно в ООН с помощью стран-единомышленников провести резолюцию типа "Любая блокада - преступление. А прорыв любой блокады это есть гуд". Большинство будет за. Вот будет момент истины для Турции.

2) Во-вторых на примере Газы и Израиля показал бы, кто есть Турция, и чем она занимается в свободное от Газы время. Ни фига себе, сами нас уничтожили, а сейчас смеют нам закрывать границу. А мы молчим, мы лохи, хуже палестинцев.

Кстати, ни палестинцы, ни арабы, нам ничего плохого не сделали. Не слушайте еврейские байки, палестинцы, это не только Хамас и Ко. Они добились того, что уже слово палестинец означает терроризм. Никто уже не думает, что палестинцы это еще и такая прекрасная и умнейшая женщина, как Queen Rania of Jordan В отличии от евреев, палестинцы никогда не блокировали принятие геноцида, не плевались на наших монахов, как евреи в Иерусалиме, не вооружали азеров бепилотными самолетами, не снабжали военными технологиями и специалистами мололдую армию Азербайджана.

Можно было и что нибудь символическое сделать в помощь Газы. Допустим пригласить их детей в детские лагеря, или помочь воостановить аэропорт в Газе. Послушайте, а почему бы и нет, да пусть одним кирпичиком?

Мы то начнем, подключатся и другие государства. А Израиль и Турция пусть продолжают свои нетрадиционные пассивно-акитивные отношения без участия и последствия для других народов. Особенно если они = два сапога- пара. У нас есть полное моральное право поддерживать палестинцев, кто нам Израиль то? Как полностью Иерусалим станетстолицей - прощай там и армянский квартал.

А пока мы сидим как в кино и ждем, кто вместо нас в шахматы сыграет. Стоять в стороне не получится...

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Defending Israel: A How-To Guide

Eli Clifton

June 1st, 2010

Today’s op-ed by the Wall Street Journal editorial board offers a fairly comprehensive list of the talking points which are de rigueur in defending Israel’s attack on civilian ships in international water.

1.) Mention the Gaza war in 2008 as an example of what happens when weapons get into Gaza.

Example from the WSJ:

Since [Hamas seized power in 2007], both Israel and Egypt have imposed a partial blockade on the Strip, mainly to prevent Hamas from arming itself with the kinds of weapons it used to spark a war with Israel in December 2008.

It’s interesting that Israel should bring up the Gaza war as an example of Hamas viciousness. This was a war where between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinians were killed and 13 Israelis died. It’s hard to argue that Israel’s response to Hamas’s “spark” was proportional but we’ll talk about proportionality later.

2.) Emphasize that food, water and other necessary supplies enter Gaza on a daily basis through Israeli checkpoints.

Example from the WSJ:

Food, medicine and electricity continue to flow to Gaza.

World Health Organization reports have found that Israel is blocking vital medical supplies from entering Gaza and that building a well-functioning health care system is impossible without the regular delivery of supplies. Furthermore, mortality rates are 30-percent higher in Gaza than in Palestinian populations in the West Bank and chronic malnutrition is now over 10-percent. As to electricity, the UN’s Office of Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) reported on May 9th that:

“(A)lmost all of the 1.4 million Palestinians residing in the Gaza Strip, with the exception of those who live in the Rafah area, must cope with scheduled electricity cuts of 8-12 hours daily, compared to 6-8 hours prior to January 2010.

These power cuts exacerbate the already difficult living conditions in Gaza and disrupt almost all aspects of daily life, including household chores, health services, education and water and sanitation services.”

3.) Claim that the international community is biased against Israel, denies Israel its sovereign right to defend itself and constantly complains about Israel’s “disproportional” use of force. If possible, belittle the concept of proportionality.

Example from the WSJ:

The Gaza war also elicited international protests against Israel, which time and again is told what it can do in its own self-defense, with its critics deeming nearly every effective military action “disproportionate”.

It is true that Israel is frequently accused of using disproportionate force. From the wildly disproportionate death toll in the Gaza war to the killing of nine human rights activists this weekend, there is no shortage of Israeli disproportionality.

But none of that matters if you argue that disproportionality works and that discussions about “proportionality” are a waste of time.

Editorial writers and bloggers have been busy dusting off the argument that a disproportionate response is the only way to deal with terrorists that threaten our western values.

(I blogged earlier today about Michael Rubin’s defense of Israel’s disproportional use of force.)

4.) Insist that the IDF was just defending itself against an armed, bloodthirsty mob.

Example from the WSJ:

It was only after the humanitarians aboard the ship assaulted the commandos with clubs and knives that the Israelis used live fire. If the Internet videos of the commandos being viciously attacked as they descended from a helicopter are accurate, they were acting to defend themselves.

This characterization of events totally ignores the context in which the raid and the shooting of nine flotilla members occurred.

The IDF commandos had to fly seventy miles offshore, into international waters, before rappelling onto a Turkish- flagged passenger ship. Then, when not greeted with open arms, they shot nine people dead. An ambush would suggest that the Israelis were tricked into boarding the ships. No account of the events from either flotilla members or the IDF suggests that this was the case. Israel attacked a ship sailing in international waters. At what point did those aboard the vessel forfeit their own right of self-defense?

Craig Murray, a human rights activist and former British ambassador to Uzbekistan writes:

A word on the legal position, which is very plain. To attack a foreign flagged vessel in international waters is illegal. It is not piracy, as the Israeli vessels carried a military commission. It is rather an act of illegal warfare.

Because the incident took place on the high seas does not mean however that international law is the only applicable law. The Law of the Sea is quite plain that, when an incident takes place on a ship on the high seas (outside anybody’s territorial waters) the applicable law is that of the flag state of the ship on which the incident occurred. In legal terms, the Turkish ship was Turkish territory.

There are therefore two clear legal possibilities.

Possibility one is that the Israeli commandos were acting on behalf of the government of Israel in killing the activists on the ships. In that case Israel is in a position of war with Turkey, and the act falls under international jurisdiction as a war crime.

Possibility two is that, if the killings were not authorized Israeli military action, they were acts of murder under Turkish jurisdiction. If Israel does not consider itself in a position of war with Turkey, then it must hand over the commandos involved for trial in Turkey under Turkish law.

In brief, if Israel and Turkey are not at war, then it is Turkish law which is applicable to what happened on the ship. It is for Turkey, not Israel, to carry out any inquiry or investigation into events and to initiate any prosecutions. Israel is obliged to hand over indicted personnel for prosecution.

5.) Set the stage for future conflicts which will derail the peace process.

Example from the WSJ:

We suppose Israel could have allowed the flotilla to pass to avoid the political fallout it is now enduring. Had it done so, however, it would have merely created a channel through which Hamas could be supplied with ever-more advanced weaponry (much of it courtesy of Iran) thus setting the stage for an even bloodier war in Gaza.

Israel knows exactly what risk it runs when it commits provocative acts such as the recent raid on the flotilla. Editorial writers and sympathetic journalists dutifully repeat the message that the Palestinian response to Israel “defending itself” could lead to a “new Intifada”. What better way to derail peace talks than to provoke violence before the parties have even gotten to the table?

The pressure is on Netanyahu to cease settlement expansion and make a meaningful attempt to negotiate borders and security arrangements with Hamas. Pressure from the White House might be difficult to completely ignore, but, with a loyal group of sympathetic journalists and bloggers, Netanyahu can try to drown out the voices of his international critics. That’s as long as his friends in the media stick to their talking points.

[Meltonian]

Картина Репина "Опа". Часть II

Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy

Ian Black, Middle East editor

Sunday 6 June 2010

Iran has warned that it could send Revolutionary Guard naval units to escort humanitarian aid convoys seeking to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza – a move that would certainly be challenged by Israel.

Any such Iranian involvement, raised today by an aide to the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would constitute a serious escalation of already high tensions with Israel, which accuses Tehran of seeking to build a nuclear weapon and of backing Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls Gaza.

"Iran's Revolutionary Guard naval forces are prepared to escort the peace and freedom convoys that carry humanitarian assistance for the defenceless and oppressed people of Gaza with all their strength," pledged Hojjatoleslam Ali Shirazi, Khamenei's personal representative to the guards corps.

The threat came as the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, dismissed a UN proposal for an international commission to investigate last week's commando assault on aid ships, in which nine people died. Another aid ship, the Rachel Corrie, carrying Irish and other peace activists, was boarded peacefully by Israeli forces on Saturday, escorted to the port of Ashdod, and its passengers deported.

Netanyahu has defended Israel's right to maintain the blockade by arguing that without it Gaza would become an "Iranian port" and Hamas missiles would strike Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Israel's undeclared aim is to weaken or bring down the Hamas government.

Iran continued to exploit the "freedom flotilla" affair to lambast Israel. Its foreign minister, Manuchehr Mottaki, told the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in Jeddah on Sunday that Israel's crime was "another instance of the Zionist regime's brazen and merciless treatment of Muslims, especially the oppressed Palestinian people."

Mottaki also called for a UN resolution condemning Israel. The security council is discussing imposing new sanctions on Iran because of its failure to meet international demands over its nuclear programme.

Iran and Israel have had no diplomatic relations since the 1979 revolution and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly predicts the disappearance of the Jewish state as well as denying the Holocaust.

Shirazi said Iran should encourage international efforts to break the blockade. "We should expose our enemies to spontaneous global action and not let them achieve their heinous goals," he was quoted as saying by the semi-official Mehr news agency.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards, which have a command structure separate from the regular armed forces, are fiercely loyal to the supreme leader. Khamenei has attacked the raid as a "mistake" that "showed how barbaric the Zionists are".

Israel's determination to strike at links between Iran and Hamas was dramatically demonstrated in January when presumed Mossad agents in Dubai assassinated Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, who was described as the Hamas official in charge of smuggling Iranian weapons into Gaza.

Israel's no-compromise attitude to aid convoys could be tested again after two Lebanese organisations pledged to send boats to Gaza in the next few days. Reporters Without Borders is attempting to assemble 25 European activists and 50 journalists for a boat leaving Beirut. The Free Palestine Movement is planning a similar attempt.

George Galloway, the founder of Viva Palestina, announced in London that two simultaneous convoys "one by land via Egypt and the other by sea" would set out in September to break the Gaza blockade. The sea convoy of up to 60 ships will travel around the Mediterranean gathering ships, cargo and volunteers.

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Al Jazeera talks to US activist named by Israel as a 'terrorist'

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=wx03ZTt7Zuk

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The truth behind the Israeli propaganda

Robert Fisk

5 June 2010

I have, of course, been outraged at armed men boarding ships in international waters, killing passengers on board who attempt to resist and then forcing their ship to the hijackers' home port. I am, of course, talking about the Somali pirates who are preying on Western ships in the Indian Ocean. How dare those terrorists dare to touch our unarmed vessels on the high seas? And how right we are to have our warships there to prevent such terrorist acts.

But whoops! At least the Israelis have not demanded ransom. They just want to get journalists to win the propaganda war for them. Scarcely had the week begun when Israel's warrior "commandos" stormed a Turkish boat bringing aid to Gaza and shot nine of the passengers dead. Yet by week's end, the protesters had become "armed peace activists", vicious anti-Semites "professing pacifism, seething with hate, pounding away at another human being with a metal pole". I liked the last bit. The fact that the person being beaten was apparently shooting another human being with a rifle didn't quite get into this weird version of reality.

Turkish family protests that their sons wanted to be martyrs – something which most Turkish family members might say if their relatives had been shot by the Israelis – had been transformed into confirmation that they had been jihadis. "On that aid ship," a Sri Lankan texted me this week, "I had my niece, nephew and his wife on board. Unfortunately Ahmed (20-year-old nephew) got shot in the leg and now treated (sic) under military custody. I will keep you posted." He did indeed. Within hours, the press was at his family's home in Australia, demanding to know if Ahmed was a jihadi – or even a potential suicide bomber. Propaganda works, you see. We haven't seen a frame of film from the protesters because the Israelis have stolen the lot. No one has told us – if the Turkish ship was carrying such ruthless men – how their terrible plots to help the "terrorists" of Gaza were not uncovered in the long voyage from Turkey, even when it called at other ports. But Professor Gil Troy of McGill University in Montreal – in the rabid Canadian National Post, of course – was able to spout all that gunk about "armed peace activists" on Thursday.

I wasn't personally at all surprised at the killings on the Turkish ship. In Lebanon, I've seen this indisciplined rabble of an army – as "elite" as the average rabble of Arab armies – shooting at civilians. I saw them watching the Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinians on the morning of 18 September (the last day of the slaughter) by their vicious Lebanese militia allies. I was present at the Qana massacre by Israeli gunners in 1996 – "Arabushim" (the equivalent of the abusive term "Ayrab" in English), one of the gunners called the 106 dead civilians, more than half of them children, in the Israeli press. Then the Israeli government of Nobel laureate Shimon Peres said there were terrorists among the dead civilians – totally untrue, but who cares? – and then came the second Qana massacre in 2006 and then the 2008-09 Gaza slaughter of 1,300 Palestinians, most of them children, and then...

Well, then came the Goldstone report, which found that Israeli troops (as well as Hamas) committed war crimes in Gaza, but this was condemned as anti-Semitic – poor old honourable Goldstone, himself a prominent Jewish jurist from South Africa, slandered as "an evil man" by the raving Al Dershowitz of Harvard – and was called "controversial" by the brave Obama administration. "Controversial", by the way, basically means "fuck you".

There's doubts about it, you see. It's dodgy stuff.

But back to our chronology. Then we had the Mossad murder of a Hamas official in Dubai with the Israelis using at least 19 forged passports from Britain and other countries. And the pathetic response of our then foreign secretary, David Miliband? He called it "an incident" – not the murder of the guy in Dubai, mind you, just the forgery of UK passports, a highly "controversial" matter – and then... Well, now we've had the shooting down of nine passengers at sea by more Israeli heroes.

The amazing thing in all this is that so many Western journalists – and I'm including the BBC's pusillanimous coverage of the Gaza aid ships – are writing like Israeli journalists, while many Israeli journalists are writing about the killings with the courage that Western journalists should demonstrate. And about the Israeli army itself. Take Amos Harel's devastating report in Haaretz which analyses the make-up of the Israeli army's officer corps. In the past, many of them came from the leftist kibbutzim tradition, from greater Tel Aviv or from the coastal plain of Sharon. In 1990, only 2 per cent of army cadets were religious Orthodox Jews. Today the figure is 30 per cent. Six of the seven lieutenant-colonels in the Golani Brigade are religious. More than 50 per cent of local commanders are "national" religious in some infantry brigades.

There's nothing wrong with being religious. But – although Harel does not make this point quite so strongly – many of the Orthodox are supporters of the colonisation of the West Bank and thus oppose a Palestinian state.

And the Orthodox colonists are the Israelis who most hate the Palestinians, who want to erase the chances of a Palestinian state as surely as some Hamas officials would like to erase Israel. Ironically, it was senior officers of the "old" Israeli army who first encouraged the "terrorist" Hamas to build mosques in Gaza – as a counterbalance to the "terrorist" Yasser Arafat up in Beirut – and I was a witness to one of their meetings. But it will stay the same old story before the world wakes up. "I have never known an army as democratic as Israel's," the hapless French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy said a few hours before the slaughter.

Yes, the Israeli army is second to none, elite, humanitarian, heroic. Just don't tell the Somali pirates.

*http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-truth-behind-the-israeli-propaganda-1991803.html*

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Я только подумал что от Комитета Древних Сил пару дней новостей не было...

Top Republican to introduce resolution defending Israel against flotilla criticism

By Jordan Fabian

06/06/10

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Sunday he is planning to introduce a resolution next week defending Israel against criticism it has received over its handling of the Gaza flotilla incident.

King, the ranking member on the House Homeland Security Committee, told the conservative blog contentions of his plan and criticized the Obama administration's stance on the matter. Jennifer Rubin writes:

I asked whether he was surprised that the Obama team went along with a UN resolution on the flotilla, even a watered-down one, rather than vetoing it, as past administrations have done in similar situations to hold back the tide of Israel bashing. He replied bluntly, “No.” He continued, “This is basically what we have seen from day one – [the administration] putting distance between itself and Israel.” He believes there is a conscious effort by Obama to deny Israel the “privileged status” it has enjoyed as a close, democratic ally of the United States. This is part and parcel, he explains, of the “apology tour, how Netanyahu was treated, and [asserting] the moral equivalency between housing construction in Jerusalem and Iran constructing a nuclear weapon.”

What does King intend to do when Congress returns tomorrow? He announces that he will send a “Dear Colleague” letter out on Monday, calling on all House members to join in a resolution that will be introduced in the next few days. The resolution will include “many paragraphs on Israel’s right to defend itself,” take issue with the critics of Israel, call for the U.S. to withdraw from the U.N. Human Rights Council, and demand that the administration oppose any U.N. investigation of Israel.

King is the second high-profile Republican to criticize President Barack Obama for laying low on the flotilla incident. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the president's GOP opponent in 2008, said last week that Obama had helped create the environment for the attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Several Democratic members of Congress have also spoken out in defense of Israel's actions. Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) has even called for Americans who participated in the Turkish-based flotilla to be prosecuted.

Two members of the Congressional Black Caucus, on the other hand, have called on Israel to lift its blockade of Gaza, saying that it has created a humanitarian crisis in the Hamas-controlled territory.

The White House has condemned the loss of life, but has reserved judgment on the incident until an international investigation is concluded, echoing a U.N. Security Council resolution on the matter.

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Israel worried by new Turkey intelligence chief's defense of Iran

Israeli sources believe Hakan Fidan aided in orchestrating an intentional change in relations between Israel and Turkey.

By Amir Oren

The Israeli defense establishment - and especially the Mossad's foreign relations department, which maintains ties with Turkey's national intelligence organization (MIT ) - is concerned over the recent appointment of Hakan Fidan as head of that organization, and the implications of that appointment vis-a-vis Turkish relations with Israel and Iran.

Ten days ago, Hakan Fidan, 42, a personal confidant of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, assumed the post of head of MIT, which combines the functions of the Mossad and Shin Bet security force.

Israeli security sources believe last week's the Mavi Marmara incident reflects an intentional change in relations between Israel and Turkey - orchestrated by Erdogan, along with Fidan and Foreign Minister Ahmed Davutoglu.

There is no concrete information, however, regarding Fidan's involvement in the incident or his ties with IHH, the group that organized the flotilla.

In meetings between Mossad officials and others in the local political-security establishment, it was noted that Fidan has close ties with Erdogan's Islamist party, and that during the past year he was deputy director of the prime minister's office and played a central role in tightening Turkish ties with Iran, especially on the nuclear issue.

Fidan's appointment at MIT will help strengthen Erdogan's control over certain civilian elements in the Turkish intelligence community, both in terms of determining foreign and defense policy, and also vis-a-vis members of the senior military echelons, who are considered to be a central threat to the Islamist party's power.

To date intelligence ties between Israel and Turkey have been good, in parallel to the good relations between the Israel Defense Forces and the Turkish military, and their respective intelligence services.

In April the last head of MIT, Emre Taner, retired after a five-year stint. Erdogan appointed Fidan as acting head then, but he only formally took over late last month. Fidan served in the Turkish military for 15 years, until 2001, but was not an officer.

MIT has extensive authority, in both internal security and foreign intelligence gathering. Its chief answers directly to the prime minister, although the law obliges him also to report to the president, the chief of staff and the country's National Security Council.

Fidan completed a B.A. at the University of Maryland, and he completed his master's and doctorate in Ankara. His dissertation was a comparative analysis of the structure of U.S., British and Turkish intelligence organizations.

After his military service, Fidan served in the Turkish embassy in Australia, and last year he represented Ankara in the International Atomic Energy Agency, where he defended Iran's right to carry on with its nuclear program for "peaceful purposes."

With Davutoglu, Fidan formulated last month's uranium transfer deal between Turkey, Brazil and Iran.

Apparently, he supports the idea of splitting MIT's authority into an internal and an external intelligence organization, like in Israel, Britain and the United States. It is reported that he intends to concentrate on "institutional" tasks and to work with an independent security service, one of whose main purposes is to deal with the Kurdish PKK organization - partly to deflect criticism of his appointment.

In Israel there is concern Fidan's appointment will have a two-pronged effect: on one hand, that exchange of intelligence between the two countries will be harmed, and on the other, that Israel will have to limit the transfer of information to Turkey, out of a concern that it may be passed on to enemy organizations or states.

*http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-worried-by-new-turkey-intelligence-chief-s-defense-of-iran-1.294568*

[Meltonian]

Mossad и турецкий MIT друзья старинные. Mossad сливал им инфу на армянские организации в Ливане, а позже ещё и на курдские.

[Yilmaz]

Израиль отправляет «Флотилию Свободы» на Кипр с целью прекращения турецкого захватничества

http://tert.am/ru/news/2010/06/07/cyprus/

[Shatakh]

Սրա վերջը կարող ա լավ չլինի նաև մեզ համար :rolleyes2:Մերոնք լավ կլինի մեր սահմանների հսկողությունն ուժեղացնեն:

Турция разрывает военное сотрудничество с Израилем

Armenia Today [ 07.06.2010 | 11:28 ] Политика , Турция

Турция разрывает военное сотрудничество с Израилем. Как заявил заместитель генерального председателя правящей Партии справедливости и развития (ПСР) Омер Челик солашения с Израилем в военно-технической сфере будут аннулированы.

По его словам, Анкара использует все свои права, которые ей предоставляет международное право, для привлечения к ответственности Израиля. «Будут использованы все права для наказания израильского правительства, тех, кто отдал приказ на нападение на морской конвой и стоял за этой акцией», - сказал Челик.

О возможности сведения к минимуму отношений с Израилем в конце минувшей недели предупредил вице-премьер Турции Бюлент Арынч. «В дорожной карте отношений между Турцией и Израилем в ближайшей перспективе будут аннулированы военные соглашения и как и все другие связи», - цитируют Арынча турецкие СМИ.

По сообщениям местных СМИ, Турция попытается использовать третью встречу глав государств и правительств Совещания по взаимодействию и мерам доверия в Азии (СВМДА), которая состоится во вторник в Стамбуле, в качестве международной платформы для публичного осуждения Израиля и его изоляции.

Израиль на саммите будет представлять посол этой страны в Анкаре, хотя до кризиса в двусторонних отношениях на нем ожидалось представительство на министерском уровне. Отметим также, что в саммите примут участие президент Азербайджана Ильхам Алиев и премьер-министр РФ Владимир Путин.

[sacred]

Все же удалось вовлечь Иран.Если они свои корабли отправят,то на этот раз Иран будут бомбить.А тут и мы недалеко и азера и пошел каш каламаш.Вот вам и конечная цель всего.А где союзники?...На стороне турок или что то решено.

[Monica B.]

Моника, я перегрелся. Приношу вам свои извинения.

[sacred]

ТЕЛЬ-АВИВ/ГАЗА, 7 июн - РИА Новости. Израильские военные уничтожили в понедельник утром в секторе Газа палестинских боевиков-аквалангистов, готовившихся проникнуть в Израиль для совершения теракта, сообщила армейская пресс-служба.

Палестинские СМИ говорят о четырех погибших.

Боевиков, уже одевших костюмы для подводного плавания, засек израильский патрульный катер и открыл по ним огонь.

"Насколько мы понимаем, в результате они были убиты, но, естественно, не можем утверждать это с полной уверенностью", - сказал РИА Новости представитель пресс-службы Армии обороны Израиля.

Среди израильских военных потерь нет.