Турецко-Израильский роман после Газы

[Meltonian]

The hijacking of the truth: Film evidence 'destroyed'

Protesters say Israel had an assassination list. Israel says soldiers fired only in self-defence. So what really happened on 31 May?

Catrina Stewart reports

Sunday, 6 June 2010

Jamal Elshayyal, a journalist with al-Jazeera, woke with a start to the opening salvos of an Israeli assault that would transform the decks of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish vessel bound for Gaza, into a bloodbath. From the ship's position deep in international waters, satellite images of Israeli speedboats and helicopters approaching the vessel were beamed across the globe before communications were abruptly cut off, leaving the events on the Marmara to unfold away from the eyes of the world.

Six days after the bloody assault that left nine foreign protesters, mainly Turks, dead, nobody can recount with any conviction precisely what happened that night. The convoy of ships, whose passengers included writers, politicians and journalists, had been expected for weeks, with organisers loudly broadcasting their plans to run Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip and draw international attention to the situation there.

From the beginning, it was clear that Israeli forces were concentrating in their largest numbers on the Marmara, a ship carrying some 550 peace activists. The remaining five boats were much smaller and easily commandeered. After the Marmara was subdued, the passengers silenced, and their recording equipment confiscated, Israel disseminated a carefully choreographed account of the events that night that would dominate the airwaves for the first 48 hours.

Only as eyewitnesses, traumatised by their experiences, started to return to their home countries, were serious questions raised about the veracity of the Israeli version of events. Israeli commandos initiated the attack on the Marmara with stun grenades, paintballs and rubber-cased steel bullets. They were met with water hoses as the ship's passengers tried to form a defensive cordon to prevent soldiers from reaching the wheelhouse. Next, the helicopters started their approach, hovering overhead as they tried to disgorge commandos.

From the other ships, passengers looked on helplessly: "The worst thing was seeing the helicopter come up because I knew they were going to invade," said Ewa Jasiewicz, a 32-year-old organiser. "You could hear the screams when they started shooting ... We wanted to stop and go back but there wouldn't have been anything we could have done."

From the moment the helicopters arrived, the sequence of events becomes confused. The dizzying number of claims and counter-claims serves only to present an incomplete account of a military operation that went badly, badly wrong. More than 1.7 million viewers have pored over the edited YouTube footage posted by the Israeli navy since Wednesday. In the dramatic clip, commandos rappel down on to the deck from a helicopter, where they are met by angry activists armed with iron bars and sticks.

This is a critical point, for Israel has rallied domestic opinion on the crucial claim that its soldiers dropped into a meticulously planned riot for which they were completely unprepared. Panicked, they acted in self-defence after they landed, shooting only those who threatened them.

The video is problematic, though. The images of angry protesters are striking, but they lack context. What happened before? What happened next? Had the soldiers started shooting when they descended to the deck? The only account offered by the Israelis of what happened next is left to Staff Sergeant S, a commando who claims he shot six of the protesters.

The last of 15 to arrive on the deck, he said he saw that two of his colleagues had gunshot wounds. Pushing others into a protective cordon around the injured soldiers, he shot at the protesters to force them to fall back. It's a neat account, but several eyewitness accounts tell a very different story.

Mr Elshayyal, a reporter for the Arab channel al-Jazeera, was standing to one side of the ship and had a view of the front and back of the vessel when the fighting started. By his account, soldiers fired down on the protesters from the helicopters before an Israeli soldier had even set foot on the ship. A man next to him was shot through the top of his head, dying instantly.

"What I saw were shots being fired from the helicopter above and moments later from below – from the ships," Mr Elshayyal said. "As far as I am concerned, it's a lie to say they only started shooting on deck."

At least two other eyewitnesses saw soldiers firing from above the ships before they landed on the Marmara's deck. It is possible that this is what prompted the fierce resistance to the soldiers when they dropped down. Several passengers recount how organisers urged their peers to stop hitting the soldiers, aware of how it would harm their claim to be peaceful protesters.

Others on the ship claim they raised a white flag, but say that it was ignored. They also used a loudspeaker to reiterate their message of surrender and requested that the injured be taken off the ship to get medical assistance. Again, they were ignored.

At some point early on, the activists dragged three, possibly four, injured soldiers to a lower deck, either to keep as hostages or for their own safety. It was then, several passengers say, that the situation quickly deteriorated. Israel has insisted that the protesters took two of the soldiers' pistols and used them, but others claim the pistols were taken away to prove that Israel planned to use live rounds.

Below, the protesters rummaged through captured soldiers' belongings and claimed to unearth a document that they allege is a list of people Israel intended to assassinate. The booklet, written in Hebrew and in English, contained some photographs of passengers on the Marmara, including the leader of IHH, the Turkish charity that provided two of the ships, an 88-year-old priest and Ra'ad Salah, head of the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel, Mr Elshayyal said.

A military spokesman, Lt Col Avital Leibowitz, insisted soldiers acted in self-defence and that she "was not aware" of any list. But one thing is fast becoming clear – many of the dead were shot multiple times at point-blank range. One was a journalist taking photographs. "A man was shot ... between the eyebrows, which indicates that it was not an attack that took place from self-defence," Hassan Ghani, a passenger, said in an account posted on YouTube. "The soldier had time to set up the shot." Mattias Gardell, a Swedish activist, told the TT news bureau: "The Israelis committed premeditated murder ... Two people were killed by shots in the forehead, one was shot in the back of the head and one in the chest."

When Israeli troops had subdued the ship, they rounded up the passengers, bound their wrists, in some cases forcing activists into stress positions, and prevented them from using toilets. Mr Elshayyal said he was given just three sips of water before he was taken off the ship more than 24 hours later.

Their ordeal, of course, was not yet over. Accused of entering Israel illegally, the captives were transferred to an Israeli prison, where many were held in cramped cells and denied phone calls. Furious, Turkey sent three planes to transport the activists out of Israel, threatening to sever all diplomatic ties if they were not all released.

Meanwhile, much of the video footage confiscated from Marmara passengers remains undisclosed, and Israel has sought to undermine some eyewitness accounts by alleging some of the passengers were terrorist sympathisers bent on martyrdom.

Questions remain unanswered on both sides. But without a full and transparent airing of all the evidence, the truth of that dreadful night on the Marmara may never come to light.

In the meantime, the organisers say they will seek again and again to breach Israel's defences. Scottish protester Ali El-Awaisi said: "We sent six ships this time. Next time it will be 30 ships.

*http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-hijacking-of-the-truth-film-evidence-destroyed-1992517.html*

[Arin-Berd]

Ай-ай-ай, учитывая 2500-летнее коварство персов, они Хание такое не простят. :rolleyes2:

Как минимум отрежут, мягко говоря, «кое-что» из ежегодной 20 млн. долларовой поддержки Хамас и перенаправят шиитскому Хизбалле, да еще могут вспомнить о том, что персидский царь Кир Великий освободил иудеев из вавилонского плена и дал разрешение восстановить храм в Иерусалиме...

[Arin-Berd]

ты лучше скажи, что будет в конце.... а то что впереди все интересно эт и так понятно ))

[Meltonian]

Israel: We will not apologize to Turkey over Gaza flotilla deaths

Top official in Foreign Ministry says Turkish demand for an official apology was mainly an excuse to allow Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's to cut diplomatic ties with Israel.

By Barak Ravid and Jack Khoury

Foreign Ministry officials said Saturday that Israel would not apologize to Turkey for the deaths of nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists who were killed during the Israel Navy's raid on the Turkish-flagged 'Freedom Flotilla' ship earlier this week.

A top official in the Foreign Ministry, who wished to remain anonymous, said that the Turkish demand for an official apology was mainly an excuse to allow Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's to cut diplomatic ties with Israel.

The foreign ministry officials said that they were surprised by the request for an apology which came from Turkey's Ambassador to Washington Namik Tan, as the demand was not relayed through any other diplomatic channels.

Tan, who was Turkey's ambassador to Israel before his U.S. appointment, was known to be a supporter of Israel, the officials said.

"If he is speaking like this it is probably an official order he received from top officials in the Turkish government," an official said. "It seems that the deterioration is continuing and a complete cut in diplomatic ties is only a matter of time."

Meanwhile, Minister Dan Meridor canceled his participation in an international assembly taking place this week in Istanbul.

The summit, the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia, is sponsored by Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan and is focused on increasing security and cooperation in Asia. Meridor canceled his participation due to security concerns in light of the rising anti-Israel sentiment in Turkey. Officials from the Israeli consulate in Istanbul and the Israeli envoy in Ankara will be taking Meridor's place.

*http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-we-will-not-apologize-to-turkey-over-gaza-flotilla-deaths-1.294373*

[Monica B.]

Маленькие такие цитатки из "Электронной еврейской энциклопедии" -электронная версия краткой еврейской энцикл-и.Не знаю, какой-то стиль не энциклопедический правда. Вобщем наслаждайтесь.

В целом евреи, как правило, находились в лучшем положении, чем христиане (греки, АРМЯНЕ); это было обусловлено как недоверием к последним (Османская империя почти непрерывно находилась в состоянии войны с христианскими государствами Европы), так и тем, что иудаизм воспринимался как более близкая исламу конфессия. Явное предпочтение, которое власти оказывали евреям, активно конкурировавшим с христианами в торговле и ремесле (см. ниже), вызывало недовольство греков и армян, способствовало росту антиеврейских настроений в их среде. Одним из наиболее ярких проявлений таких настроений стал кровавый навет, имевший место в 1545 г. в городе Амасья: исчезновение армянского мальчика породило слухи о том, что он был убит евреями в ритуальных целях. Под давлением армян местные власти арестовали нескольких членов еврейской общины, пытками вынудили их «сознаться» в якобы совершенном преступлении, после чего казнили. Остальные евреи, опасаясь погромов, покинули Амасью и соседний город Токат (их потомки известны как токатли), однако некоторое время спустя пропавший мальчик нашелся, и благодаря усилиям евреев, подвизавшихся при султанском дворе в Стамбуле (см. ниже), зачинщики кровавого навета понесли наказание, а Сулейман I Кануни издал фирман (указ), в котором предписывалось не расследовать подобные дела на месте, а доставлять обвиняемых и обвинителей в столицу, на личный суд султана. После этого распоряжения (фактически повторявшего аналогичный фирман Мехмеда II) кровавый навет почти на 300 лет стал в Османской империи (особенно на территории современной Турции) крайне редким явлением.

...В стране начал зарождаться современный антисемитизм, основными носителями которого были греки и АРМЯНЕ; почти каждый год перед Песахом в том или ином городе (а иногда и в нескольких городах одновременно) евреев бездоказательно обвиняли в использовании крови иноверцев в ритуальных целях; имели место и попытки погромов. После Дамасского дела султан Абдул-Меджид (1839–61) издал по просьбе М. Монтефиоре, И. А. Кремье и других представителей западноевропейского еврейства указ, объявлявший кровавый навет клеветой и запрещавший возбуждать на его основании уголовные дела (6 ноября 1840 г.), однако из-за общей слабости султаната это распоряжение (формально приравнивавшееся к законодательному акту) не возымело действия ни на христианское население Османской империи, за которым стояли крупнейшие державы Европы, ни на местные власти. Евреи, не имевшие столь могущественных покровителей, почти полностью утратили свой некогда высокий статус и превратились в нищее и преследуемое меньшинство (что не исключало появления в еврейской среде чрезвычайно богатых и влиятельных людей).

Со второй половины 1920-х гг. материальное положение евреев Турции начало улучшаться. Как и в предшествующий период, среди них было немало коммерсантов, финансистов, представителей свободных профессий, к которым теперь прибавились предприниматели. В оптовой торговле (как экспортно-импортной, так и внутренней), розничной торговле тканями, промышленности и банковском деле евреи заняли доминирующие позиции, в известной мере благодаря тому, что их традиционные соперники в этих областях — греки и АРМЯНЕ — во время Первой мировой и греко-турецкой войн были большей частью уничтожены или изгнаны из страны.

Армяно-еврейские контакты имеют длительную историю. По летописным преданиям, феодальные роды Аматуни, Мамиконян, а также род царей Армении Багратуни (см. Грузия) восходят к еврейским предкам.

[kaivaz]

Арин, да не верю я в мастабный суннито-шиитский конфликт. Тем более на фоне такой объединяющей всех правоверных темы как Израиль.

Вон, среди арабов тоже идёт борьба за первенство в арабском мире. Одно время даже Саддам Хусейн вырвался вперёд. Но в итоге оказывается, что самым действенными механизмами арабского мира является механизмы, установленные шиитским Ираном (хезболла). И этот механизм стал возможен только потому, что Иран не брезгует сотрудничеством с суннитской (точнее, алавитской в лице Ал-Асада) Сирией, имеющей нешуточный вес в ливанских делах.

Вот так выстраивается дуга - шиитский Иран, суннитская Сирия, Хезболла, Хамас...

Религиозные тонкости тут на втором плане.

Теперь, когда к списку добавляется и Турция... вообще ппц. Но, всё же я думаю, турок не будет турком, если не смухлюет. А их мухлёж в том, что они просто нарабатывают себе очки внутри туповатой внутритурецкой массовки. Думаю, у Израиля найдутся рычаги как отрезвить Турцию. Отрезвление обязательно придёт. А похмелье будет тяелым.

[ТоварЫщ Тофиг]

браД, как всегда -- добро победит зло. в учебниках по истории так и будут писать.

[ТоварЫщ Тофиг]

Религиозные тонкости тут на втором плане.

[kaivaz]

Маленькие такие цитатки из "Электронной еврейской энциклопедии" -электронная версия краткой еврейской энцикл-и.Не знаю, какой-то стиль не энциклопедический правда. Вобщем наслаждайтесь.

[Arin-Berd]

Арин, да не верю я в мастабный суннито-шиитский конфликт. Тем более на фоне такой объединяющей всех правоверных темы как Израиль.

[Cepnyc]

Простату, пожалуйста, массируйте друг другу через ЛС.

[Meltonian]

Со второй половины 1920-х гг. материальное положение евреев Турции начало улучшаться. Как и в предшествующий период, среди них было немало коммерсантов, финансистов, представителей свободных профессий, к которым теперь прибавились предприниматели. В оптовой торговле (как экспортно-импортной, так и внутренней), розничной торговле тканями, промышленности и банковском деле евреи заняли доминирующие позиции, в известной мере благодаря тому, что их традиционные соперники в этих областях — греки и АРМЯНЕ — во время Первой мировой и греко-турецкой войн были большей частью уничтожены или изгнаны из страны.

[Meltonian]

Nine activists were shot 30 times, autopsy shows

The nine men killed during an Israeli navy raid on a ship carrying aid to Gaza were shot a total of 30 times, the head of the state forensics laboratory said on Saturday.

Most of the victims, who were all Turkish, were shot at close range with what may have been pistols, Haluk İnce, chair of the Council of Forensic Medicine (ATK), told Reuters. “The deaths of all nine were caused by bullets from firearms,” he said. “One body had two bullets in the arm, one in the back and one in the knee. In another, there was only one bullet: right in the center of his brow.” Two of the men were shot five times, while one was hit six times, according to the autopsies performed by the forensics lab.

Five people were shot in the head, İnce said. He declined to name which victims were shot how many times. Witnesses have described scenes of chaos when Israeli commandos stormed the Mavi Marmara, a ship that was part of a six-vessel convoy carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists who planned to break a three-year blockade on Gaza.

Abid Mahi, 30, a British volunteer on the Mavi Marmara, told Reuters he heard something whizz past his right ear from behind and, an instant later, saw a man in front of him collapse and, Mahi believes, die. “It wasn’t a raid, it was an attack,” he said.

Israel has said its soldiers were acting in self-defense once they intercepted the ship and passengers on the Mavi Marmara attacked them, posing a threat to their lives.

Besides those killed, 24 people are being treated in a hospital in the capital Ankara. Seven are in critical condition, according to physicians.Britain’s Guardian newspaper also reported on the autopsy results carried out by the ATK, stressing that results showed that a 61-year-old man, İbrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, Furkan Doğan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less than 45 centimeters away, in the face, the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back, the Guardian reported.

None of the wounds İnce and his team examined were caused by ricocheting bullets but were all direct hits. All but one of the bullets recovered by examiners were of a 9 mm caliber, İnce said. “The bullets we obtained from the bodies are generally used in short-barreled guns,” İnce said.

Examiners were unable to identify one bullet in available information on firearms. “Normally all weapons are in the record, but we researched this and couldn’t find it in our literature,” İnce said.

“When we opened the skull and reached the brain, we saw this [object] for the first time,” he said. “I have been in forensics for 20 years and have never seen something like this.”

This bullet caused a wound that looked like those caused by projectiles from hunting rifles, İnce said. “He had a circular entrance wound on his right temple with a diameter of about 2-2.5 centimeters,” he added. Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, said in an editorial in The New York Times that spent cartridges of a caliber not used by Israeli special forces were found on the Mavi Marmara. The activists said they had no guns on board.

The ATK in İstanbul received the corpses at 3:30 a.m. on Thursday. Israeli authorities had already carried out preliminary examinations of the dead men but had not performed actual autopsies, İnce said.

*http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212357-nine-activists-were-shot-30-times-autopsy-shows.html*

[kaivaz]

все верно, добавить нечего кроме одной детали -- Турция нарушит баланс в исламском мире. Турция все еще член НАТО, член Евросовета, особое положение в ЕС и прочие прелести, которые у Саддама не были. Саддама не провозглашали предвадителем исламского мира, да и у Ирана тогда был вес на мног сильнее, чем сейчас. А пока тщательно изолируют Иран, турки беспроблемно прорываются в дамки. Вопрос: понравится ли это персам?

[kaivaz]

Моника, я перегрелся. Приношу вам свои извинения.