АМШЕНСКИЕ АРМЯНЕ

[Марга]

а никто и не признается, что делит, только скользко заметят, что язык непонятный, да и то и другое...

Бороться нужно с этим.

Короче, амшеци хаер - им сидес!

[Margaryan]

А те, кто никак не могут перестать делить армян на "искакан" либо "макур" и "шуртвац" - пусть сами идут к черту, им-то как раз и не место среди армян.

[Sergei]

Это как моему брату один раз В Армении сказали: Haes te Erevanci?

[Марга]

А ему можно было ответить "Иск ду мард ес те милица?"

[Opium]

Наверное для вас не новость, нo мне было интересно:

Hamshenis or Hemshils (Turkish Hemşinli, plural Hemşinliler) are a distinct ethnic group inhabiting the Black Sea region of Turkey. They are Sunni Muslims by faith. They are considered to be descendants of Armenians who converted to Islam in the 17th and 18th centuries.

Hamshenis themselves are divided into two main groups;

    * Baş Hemşin, or the Western group, reside in the mountainous villages in Rize Province. They are abundantly present in the districts of Çamlıhemşin and Hemşin.

    * Hopa Hemşin, or the Eastern group, take their name from the district of Hopa in Artvin Province. They form the majority of the population in and around the town of Kemalpaşa (Makriali) in Hopa and also in Muratlı (Berlivan) village in Borçka.

Many Hamshenis had also settled in Sakarya, Düzce, and Kocaeli after the Russo-Turkish War in 1878. A significant number of Hamshenis live in cities such as Istanbul, Ankara, Zonguldak, and Samsun. A small community of the Eastern group live in Kazakhstan, where they were exiled from Georgian SSR during the Stalinist era. Many deportees currently reside in Krasnodar Krai with other "Meskhetians".

Before 1915, there was also a Northern group, mainly of Christian Hamshenis (the number of "Hayhurum", members of Greek Orthodox Church, among this population is a matter of dispute) who fled Hamshen following conversions in 18th century and settled in interiors of Trabzon (particularly in Karadere valley) and Giresun provinces and also in Samsun and Ordu. In late 19th century, began a trend of mass migration to Eastern Black Sea coast of the Russian Empire, but also to Turkish towns such as Adapazarı. Today, the Northern group, who live mostly in Krasnodar Krai and Abkhazia, had become widely assimilated into general Armenian community.

Significant differences exist between the Western and Eastern groups. The main difference is linguistic; the Western group speaks a peculiar dialect of Turkish (sometimes called Hemşince), adopted under Turkic rule. Meanwhile, the Eastern group to this day speak an archaic dialect of Armenian, known to its speakers as Homshetsi or Homshetsi lizu ("the Hamshen language"). In the West, tulum (the Pontic bagpipe) accompanies the local dances, in the East, şimşir kaval (a wooden flute).

There is a current cultural revival going on among the Estern group. The first motion picture in Homshetsi, Momi (Grandma) was shot in 2000. Hamsheni singer Gökhan Birben (from the Western group) and Laz singer Kâzım Koyuncu had also sung in Homshetsi. In 2005, the first music album exclusively of anonymous Hamshen folk songs and sung mostly in Homshetsi, Vova was released.

Older generations see the reference "Ermeni" as an insult but some among younger generations, particularly those with strong leftist leanings (such as Huri Vayiç, the socialist candidate for mayor of Hopa at 2004 elections) tend to identify themselves as Armenians. Mr. Huri Vayiç obtained 25 votes in these elections [1]. Because mainstream Armenians are Christian and Hamshenis are Muslim, they are not readily accepted — all Armenians having adopted Christianity in the year 301, while those now known as Hamshenis again adopted another religion, Islam, centuries later while under Turkic rule and thus followed a significantly different path in cultural terms.

Mesut Yılmaz, a former Prime Minister of Turkey, was born in Istanbul to a family with partial Hamsheni (Western group) origins. Ahmet Tevfik İleri (who was born in Yaltkaya (Gomno) village of Hemşin), a Deputy Prime Minister and before that, a Minister of Education in Turkey within successive Adnan Menderes governments between 1950-1960, as well as Damat Mehmet Ali Pasha, the Ottoman Grand Vizier on the eve of the Crimean War in 1853 were also Hamshenis. The community issued other important names in Turkish history and society such as Murat Karayalçın, current leader of SHP and a former Deputy Prime Minister and mayor of Ankara. Hamshenis are also active in economic life as expert bakers, restauranteurs, and transporters.

[Hayduk]

По моему, тут и не должно быть никакого вопроса. Если хотя бы часть туркизированных армян вернется к армянству - будет замечательно. Если останутся мусульманами - ничего страшного, лишь бы сознавали себя армянами. Если вернутся к религии предков - христианству - еще лучше. Если подумать, то нынешняя турецкая нация в большинстве своем состоит из потомков тех армян и тех греков, которые теряли свою общность с нацией через принятие ислама и переход на общегосударственный (турецкий) язык. Если хоть немного можно повернуть вспять этот процесс - уже очень хорошо. А те, кто никак не могут перестать делить армян на "искакан" либо "макур" и "шуртвац" - пусть сами идут к черту, им-то как раз и не место среди армян.

[Hayduk]

Кайваз джан. Тулумджян - это уже много. Но всё же не в той или иной цифИре дело. Ты же не можешь отрицать, что вопреки цифре в 100.000, остальное население Амшена, тоже, фенотипически (а значит, как правило, и генетически ) принадлежит к европеоидам арменоидного и средиземноморского типов ? То что , количество считающих себя не турками ограничено - понятно. Возникает вопрос, сколько из оставшихся готово вернуться к своим корням ? При определённых условиях, можно почти быть увереным, что о своих корнях вспомнит большинство.